Sentanced to 1 year

[shorttimer]

I was sentenced to 1 year in the DOC.....I have been in twice before, once at Sheridan and once in Boot Camp......

1)since I was level 7 last time for boot camp will that security level carry over for this sentence on a possession charge? What will be available to me to get good time???Drug Program? School?? Anything??
2)how long will it take to get classified and transferred from Statesville?
3)My lawyer and the states attorney both said that officially they are not releasing people early, but unofficially they are and said that i would only have to do 2-3 months......did they feed me some bullshit??? this is all out of will county, and the lawyer is a friend of the family so he aint in for the money

I go in on Oct 17th and would appreciate any help at all in this matter

[Forevermah]

Welcome to IPT!   

We will try to answer your questions.  The first being right now, you will do 6 months inside.  Why?  Because all goodtime was canceled 20 months ago and there is no word if or when it will be back, so for now count on 6 months.

If this is your 3rd time in, you are not eligible to get credit for any classes/programs.

 It could take 30+ days to be moved out of Stateville, again, it all depends on where a bed opens up and where they want to send you.  Good Luck to you!

[shorttimer]

I know ive read about the good time being cancelled but they told me this last week that they were still doing it unofficially......my lawyer has no reason to lie.....could they be doing this on a case by case basis....also what about my security level...will i go to a minimum since i was in one before????

[Forevermah]

If they are doing it unofficially, it's news to us here at IPT and our membership.  We have many members that have waited and prayed for a long time that their LO's would get out even one day earlier than what they should and we have nothing confirmed for anyone, sorry, I really don't know what your lawyer is talking about, but I can tell you, it's not happening to any of our members LO's.

Because you have been in before, they could send you anywhere, but normally, you would go to a minimum because of the length of time you have to serve, with the overcrowding situation, no one knows what IDOC will do.

[bmonska]

It's not that your attorney and the state's attorney lied to you, it's more that they are telling you information that they THINK is correct. Everyone, like Mah said, has been praying for something like MGT to come back so our LO's are released earlier. Even unofficially, no one here has confirmed that it has happened to their LO and there are thousands of members on IPT. We have had members who have said they were told by their attorney's or the state's attorney that they would get their MGT even though it's been cancelled for almost 2 years. People are making plea deals on this misinformation and then are shocked to find out that there is no 3 or 6 months MGT. The information you read here on IPT is the most up to date, factual, information you will find as ForeverMah is a great admin. You will do 6 months, like Mah said. No less unless you can complete a class but the classes are always full and have wait lists to get in. Like she said, you may have to wait 6 months or more to finally be called up for your turn in any given class. You don't have long enough to realistically complete a class unless they got you in almost as soon as you are transferred to your parent facility.

Sorry this isn't information I'm sure you are excited about but here at IPT, everyone will give you the correct answers even if it's bad news and not what you want to hear. You can trust the information you get from IPT.

Good luck to you!

[mamacita1]

1) --- All depends on what you availed yourself to while incarcerated previously.  If you took classes to get you out earlier, you are no longer available to take these classes ( depends on classes taken--such as GED or drug progams).

2)  To get evaluated and transferred from Statesville depends on your conviction(s) and bed availability.  During these days. it is longer than one would wish.

3) Do not trust what "unofficially" means by any person of "authority".  Right now, all who are sentenced must do their time, depending on their sentence (50%, etc).

4)  While you were in a low security prison, the fact that this is your 2nd stint, might "promote" you to a higher security prison --- much depends on space.  Having said that, no one can be completely sure of IDOC's rationale. 

We are sorry that you are facing IDOC once again....there are so many of us that wish this wasn't the case for our loved ones.

[fromcolorado]

Getting good time for school/drug program (ECGT) is only available for inmates on their 1st or 2nd bit. You will have to see if the time you spent at boot camp counts towards that, because if IDOC says this is your 3rd time, you will not be eligible for ECGT no matter if you haven't used it before.

You will probably still get classified for a minimum security joint, but right now there is little to none bed space, so be prepared to go anywhere( save Tamms SuperMax, Pontiac).

Hope for the best, but expect the worst, so plan on doing 6 months.

[Steadfast]

Unfortunately, with the overcrowding, R&C takes a lot longer than it use to.  The average stay is now four weeks.  My L/O is a first time offender with a Class 4 felony and he still got sent to a medium security prison (Logan) and gets to sit amongst fairly violent inmates.  He was told he might be eligible for Home Monitoring.  Maybe that will be IDOC's answer to no MGT, especially if the inmate has to foot the bill for the device and monitoring.  A likely scenario to get around MGT might be to keep an inmate for 61 days, bill the state for 365 days, then send him home with a monitoring device that he has to pay for.  IDOC gets to make money off the inmate, but doesn't have to house him, and they get paid for the entire year.  Sounds like a solid plan and I really hope my L/O is able to get out early that way.

[Forevermah]

Unfortunately, with the overcrowding, R&C takes a lot longer than it use to.  The average stay is now four weeks.  My L/O is a first time offender with a Class 4 felony and he still got sent to a medium security prison (Logan) and gets to sit amongst fairly violent inmates.  He was told he might be eligible for Home Monitoring.  Maybe that will be IDOC's answer to no MGT, especially if the inmate has to foot the bill for the device and monitoring.  A likely scenario to get around MGT might be to keep an inmate for 61 days, bill the state for 365 days, then send him home with a monitoring device that he has to pay for.  IDOC gets to make money off the inmate, but doesn't have to house him, and they get paid for the entire year.  Sounds like a solid plan and I really hope my L/O is able to get out early that way.

61 day wonders, as Dazzler named them, is exactly what caused the MGT program to crash.  The plan you speak of was in tact for years, accept they went home on parole, these were inmates with a short sentence.   Everything stopped when those 61 day wonders, a few who were released earlier under the new MGT Push Program re-offended and stopped the program for all.


They have been talking about home monitoring too for months, but not one of our members LO's has ever been sent home on it as an alternative to serving their sentence inside.  Some go home on parole on EHM, but not their sentence.  So please let us know if he does hear anything more, a confirmation that he is indeed sent home on EHM,  would give hope to all other members who have LO's that may qualify for this.

[shorttimer]

Unfortunately, with the overcrowding, R&C takes a lot longer than it use to.  The average stay is now four weeks.  My L/O is a first time offender with a Class 4 felony and he still got sent to a medium security prison (Logan) and gets to sit amongst fairly violent inmates.  He was told he might be eligible for Home Monitoring.  Maybe that will be IDOC's answer to no MGT, especially if the inmate has to foot the bill for the device and monitoring.  A likely scenario to get around MGT might be to keep an inmate for 61 days, bill the state for 365 days, then send him home with a monitoring device that he has to pay for.  IDOC gets to make money off the inmate, but doesn't have to house him, and they get paid for the entire year.  Sounds like a solid plan and I really hope my L/O is able to get out early that way.

Maybe this is my lawyer was talking about cause he mentioned 62 days,I actually got concurrent sentences...1 Yr for the Possession and 180 days for misc driving offenses....no matter what i would have to do 90 days total minus my time served so 74 days then home monitoring.....Im waiting on a reply from my lawyer now to see if this what he meant...you guys have been real helpful.........

[Forevermah]

shorttimer, this is what we are trying to tell you, all this credit for time served was canceled 20 months ago. They are not giving any earned credits, no matter what your lawyer tells you and people have not been released on EHM.

Everyone is waiting for Quinn to sign something back in, but as of now, there is nothing!   

[RT]

If your sentences are concurrent, then take the longest sentence. That will be the controlling case, cut that sentence in half, then subtract county jail credit. That will be how much time you will spend on this bit.



Rick

[billysbaby]

The sa told my b that he would only do 6 months cause he would get mgt... Almost a year later he is still locked up... They just wanted him to sign the plea bargain

[jdmlt]

Lawyers and S.A. in our county is telling people the same things and when you tell them that Quinn cancelled mgt...their answer is yeah, but it might come back and you would be eligible for it then. They say whatever it takes in a way to get you to plea. I think in their minds what is 3-6 months, they have never done time to know it does mean something.

[Steadfast]

After what my L/O has experienced so far in IDOC, I think it should be required that every judge, DA and SA spend one night in R&C before they can pass sentences and recommend plea bargains.  Maybe then they will decide what crime really deserves a punishment of incarceration.

[bmonska]

I think I could handle just one night. I think most people could. They would need to spend weeks or months in R&C to get the full effect of the deprivation our LO's go through. I do agree though that the judges and attorney's really have no idea what prison is truly like since prison is really just a bunch of paper work to them.

shorttimer, I hope you've gotten some good direction and advice from the IPT members here. Let us know, if you can, how your attorney explains the misinformation he gave you to you. Maybe you can educate him a little bit on the fact that MGT is gone and will not come back until Quinn himself decides, if at all. It's not fair to those facing time in prison to be told one thing only to find out the truth when it's too late.

[billysbaby]

I agree 100 percent steadfast

[tbgirl]

As my boo says, "the way they treat inmates in R&C is inhumane"!  He was sent there from the county on a parole violation and had to presumably stay there until his new case was finalized.  He was so frustrated with being locked down for 23 hours a day, showers once a week, one day to use the phone, and limited resources from commissary, that he took a plea without even giving his attorney a chance to look over all of the reports for procedural errors.  He just wanted out! Said the sooner he could get to a parent institution, the better.  It's so frustrating when your hands are tied and you can't do anything to help them really.  Except write everyday and send money and stuff for them to read. 

[shorttimer]

AS my day looms closer for me to turn myself in (Oct 27th) I am getting more and more information.I personally know 3-4 C/O's at R&C and they said they will help me get everything that Im suppose to get. They also stated that since I have only 6 months to do that I would not leave R&C, but they would put me in MSU(Minimum Sercurity Unit) and that I would be in a dorm room with other offenders and that i will get a job within 2 weeks........we shall see if that true......as for the help from the C/O's that could be good and it cold be bad....but even they said that they are kicking short timers out at R&C pretty quick on Ankle Bracelets......again we shall see, i hope for the best expect the worst.....one question....if i turn myself in with some cash will that get transferred with me when i go??

[Dazzler]

Yes, if you come with cash it will go into your trust account.  I'm not so sure about the promises that the CO's are making to you...most of your particulars will be assigned after your testing and the counselors and intake workers make the decisions about your location, etc.  Not sure you'll be getting a job either...there are long waiting lists for jobs at all the facilities...but good luck with your time away...

[Skully]

im just saying from my own man's personal experience with the state's attorney and his "public pretender" they either LIE or just don't know what they are talking about... He was sentenced to two years... as the system now stands he will serve one year minus the 72 days he did in county... They tried telling him he would only do about six months! That we know now isn't the case... I would take IPT's word before I took theirs! Jus sayin...

[veracity]

Someone that knew me also knew a CO at R&C who did help my son. At 1st he bullied him I think to test his character. My son was scared to death! But he was respectful and the CO returned with coffee and candy. Several other times he brought him snacks, paper, pencil & write outs. They never really spoke or talked about anything cept my son saying thank you.