ss card and bc

[piirate]

Okay, not sure if this was asked or where exactly to post it but yeaaa

If he doesn't have a ss card or a birth certificate how do we go about getting that?

Also, when they register do they need that?

[bmonska]

Contact your local Social Security office and they will give you the steps. To get a birth certificate, you can request one from your local County Records office. Not the Clerk's office but the Records office where you would get things like a marriage license etc.

Hubby told me he should talk to his counselor about both of these things. He said his counselor would have, or can get, the paper work he needs to request those things for himself. He said he'd have to do it. You can't do it for him but he can initiate it while he's inside.

[piirate]

Thanks for the reply

[rottiemama2003]

Contact your local Social Security office and they will give you the steps. To get a birth certificate, you can request one from your local County Records office. Not the Clerk's office but the Records office where you would get things like a marriage license etc.

Hubby told me he should talk to his counselor about both of these things. He said his counselor would have, or can get, the paper work he needs to request those things for himself. He said he'd have to do it. You can't do it for him but he can initiate it while he's inside.

Getting while he is in prison will be best due to so much fraud.. getting those items can be difficult even being their wives. Because they have to have ID to get SS card and BC. The counselor is the easy choice

hope it helps

[piirate]

Thanks so much. I didn't even think it would be easier now instead of after lol. Do you know if they need that to register?

[Dazzler]

Inmates used to be able to get SS cards in prison but they've stopped that...because there's no way to prove that an inmate isn't using a bogus name.  Every prison has temporary ID cards that can be issued to paroling inmates and are good for 30 days.  These IDS are used to get state IDs, Social Security cards and birth certificates.  Make sure they keep on field services or their counselor and get that ID before they leave prison.  If you are related to someone you can obtain their birth certificate...you must show your ID and sign a paper with your relationship when ordering a copy of the certificate.

[chantygirl]

The social security card is actually pretty easy, the SS administration will walk you through how to go about it.  If i recall correctly (7 years ago) all you needed to know was the social security number itself, and sign a few forms.  The birth certificate–you have to contact the courthouse in the city he was born in.  They have it on record there, and can get you another copy.  He has to get that though.  He'll need a State ID, and another form of identification (I think a piece of mail works), or if you don't have two forms of ID you can bring your mother (in Indiana).  For some reason, they take moms word for it haha.  The challenge for me is proving to be the diploma.  I'm beating my head against a stone wall on that one!   

[piirate]

What if you're in a different state for the bc? It's like to get an id you have to have this but to get that you have to have this and it's a big thing. Thanks for the help everyone though. =]

[bmonska]

Inmates used to be able to get SS cards in prison but they've stopped that...because there's no way to prove that an inmate isn't using a bogus name.  Every prison has temporary ID cards that can be issued to paroling inmates and are good for 30 days.  These IDS are used to get state IDs, Social Security cards and birth certificates.  Make sure they keep on field services or their counselor and get that ID before they leave prison.  If you are related to someone you can obtain their birth certificate...you must show your ID and sign a paper with your relationship when ordering a copy of the certificate.

My hubby said he just did the paperwork two months prior to his transfer, then release, for a SS card and got the paperwork to fill out from his counselor. He mentioned that they have to have the SS card or birth certificate in or to get the temp ID issued to the inmate upon parole release. He said they passed out all the paperwork during each orientation. Maybe some prisons stopped it, I don't know, but it's still being done in others while the inmate is incarcerated. He said every single facility when he entered IDOC from R&C at Graham then, Jville, to Pittsfield to his final parent prison GCWC at each orientation he was given the paperwork regarding applying for a SS card in his orientation package.

He just physically went through the process. In any case, I'd still tell him to ask his counselor. If something has changed, he or she would tell him so.

[rottiemama2003]

Mine is going thru the process now, and his counselor gave him the paperwork for is SS card, I had a copy of his BC so that saved some money. Also in July I need my bc for my passport, they would not let my sister get mind. I drove to Springfield,IL even after I paid for it, they would not let her pick it up. But I would do as bmonska said asked the counselor to be sure of the process.

[Dazzler]

And your husband got his card before leaving the IDOC?

[bmonska]

And your husband got his card before leaving the IDOC?

He filled it out, gave it to the counselor, he found out that counselor never submitted the paperwork because he was transferred out within days of submitting it. Counselor at the transfer facility gave it to him again at that orientation and told him to fill it out again. Instead, he called me, asked if I still had his SS card or if it was lost. I still had it so he said forget it. He wasn't going to fill it out a second time because he only had 5 weeks left before release, I had his original card even though it was torn pretty good (which is why he was going to get it replaced). Others he was in with went through the same process and got their notification slips that the SS card had arrived and been put in their master file to be issued to them upon release.

Could be some counselors at different facilities are told not to provide the paperwork. Not sure. All I know is he received the application for a new card at each facility inside the orientation packet they received upon entering that facility. We all know IDOC is inconsistent at best which is why I still suggest your lo's refer to their orientation packet and if the paperwork isn't there then ask the counselor for it.

As a result, he was not issued a temp ID upon release to parole because he didn't follow through with getting the replacement SS card before he left. His counselor told him he wouldn't get a temp ID card if he didn't follow through with filling out the paperwork a second time. So for them to issue the temp ID, the inmate needs to get the SS card first in order for the temp ID to be issued. He said that is why they encouraged the inmates at the time of receiving the new orientation packet to "fill out the paperwork early. Don't wait 'til the last minute."

He also said those temp 30 day cards cost the inmate. It's not free. He said it's not an enormous cost but they deduct a couple bucks from their commissary. Not sure what they do in the case when an inmate has no commissary money to deduct from though.

All this information is coming straight from my lo who was released 10/20/11 so it's fairly recent information.

[piirate]

Thank you.

[Dazzler]

Well, that's exactly the steps my LO followed and was told his SS card was in his master file and he'd receive it when he was paroled...instead they informed him that because of so much fraud they weren't giving them to parolees...he'd had to apply himself when he left....I also confirmed this with the former warden at Stateville...she told me the reason...because people are often charged under their aliases and they can't legitimize their aliases for them by providing them with a SS card...so unless someone actually received it and left a prison with one...I stand on my statement.

[Dazzler]

This whole thing is confusing, if the IDOC requires a SS or birth certificate in their possession to obtain an IDOC issued temporary ID, what would anyone need the ID for if they have the other two documents...makes no sense to me...the purpose of the temporary ID was to obtain a SS card and birth certificate and state ID. 

[TimeStandsStill]

Thanks for clarifying this hot mess Dazzler!  I thought I was losing mind.  Not everyone needs to get a temporary card from the IDOC then right?  My LO has a BC, a SS card, and a valid State ID so he needs nothing from IDOC? 

[Dazzler]

Nope, the reason for the temporary ID was so parolees could obtain an SS card and State ID, as the SSA requires a State ID to obtain a replacement and the SOS requires a SS card to obtain an ID card....aggravating situation for a parolee...if you have any of those ID's you don't need anything from the IDOC.

[bmonska]

This whole thing is confusing, if the IDOC requires a SS or birth certificate in their possession to obtain an IDOC issued temporary ID, what would anyone need the ID for if they have the other two documents...makes no sense to me...the purpose of the temporary ID was to obtain a SS card and birth certificate and state ID. 

I agree it's confusing and it seems backward. But then hubby said he was told they wouldn't issue the temp ID card without the SS card already issued for the same reason: fraud. So if they don't get an SS card inside but are given a temp ID card and they are in under an alias, the temp ID card would be considered fraudulent wouldn't it? So if a person gets an ID card with no SS card upon parole release, if they try to get an SS card on the outside with that fraudulent temp ID card, wouldn't Social Security be helping the person using an alias get a new SS card for the alias persona instead of the "real" inmate?

Like I said though. I'm going by what he said so I'll stand on that but at he same time I mentioned maybe the larger, or other facilities, did away with it but the smaller facilities still provide the paperwork. All I know for sure is they do it at Graham R&C, Jville, Pittsfield and GCWC for sure. The temp ID thing might work better for the larger the facilities rather than submitting massive stacks of SS paperwork every single day. It would definitely cut print costs to an extent in the larger facilities.

It's crazy how each prison tends to pick and choose which IDOC policies they want to use. Hubby did say it seemed as if at least 90% of the policies were followed across the board at the facilities that he went through but then there are those counselors and CO's at the different facilities that just do their job which ever way they feel like and give information to inmates that contradicts their policies and proceedures.

If all else fails, I'd have the inmate talk to the counselor and then follow up with the counselor regarding the SS card situation and maybe even call the counselor from the outside to have them explain the process to you also to see if you get the same info as your lo got. Sounds like the change in policy didn't make it State wide.

I tend to think IDOC would run better if it were ran by robots rather than humans!

[Dazzler]

  You crack me up the way you decipher and rationalize your responses....

[TimeStandsStill]

                 


Pick one

[Dazzler]

Take your pick people...choose whichever answer you like the best....

[TimeStandsStill]

My head hurts! No amount of coffee is going to help.

[Dazzler]

After re-reading the original question it appears no one answered that.....I'm assuming she means 'registered' as in Sex Offender database?  I don't believe they are required because your LO will receive his parole papers at his release and those will spell out his conditions of parole.  He can take that to the local sheriff's office. 

[bmonska]

I said that that's the way it happened at those facilities. You got confirmation as to how Stateville does it. I got confirmation from an inmate who went through it at 4 other facilities. If they aren't doing it anymore, why is the SS paperwork still given to them at orientation? Why bother giving it to them at all if the temp ID card is the new norm across the board? My point being, ask the counselor. If my husband is wrong then he, and hundreds of others, was told wrong by numerous IDOC employees and wasted their time filling out paperwork they aren't even submitting anymore. 

I had the information straight from hubby and thought it would help the person who originally posed the question. If the information is wrong, delete it. Rottie, if my husband is wrong on any level, since your hubby is going through this, maybe your hubby should ask his counselor about the temp ID vs. SS card to find out ahead of time whether or not they tell him what Dazz's lo was told about not giving the inmate the SS card from the master file after he went through the same paperwork process. If hubby is wrong and Dazz's answer is the only correct answer, then IDOC counselors are wasting a lot of their own time and inmates time with unnecessary paperwork.

[Dazzler]

I've asked now several times....has anyone's LO actually been handed an SS card?  I have no idea what confirmations you have and don't really care....just tell me if someone actually got the card?  And I'm the one that was told by IDOC why the SS card wasn't provided...and that was at Hill...reconfirmed by Stateville's warden...

And you're asking why the IDOC does wasteful things?  LOL  I thought you just came out of the system?

[bmonska]

I'm not asking why IDOC does wasteful things. It's obvious they do. I just don't get why they would bother with paperwork that they aren't even going to submit if all they plan on doing in the end is ask the inmate if he needs a temp ID upon release. I suppose I'm thinking logically that if the temp ID is across the board, why not eliminate the SS paperwork at orientation if they aren't going to follow through with it? But then I also realize there's nothing logical about IDOC and what they do or don't do.

All I can confirm is what he told me: several inmates who were close to release in his dorm were giving their notification at some point during their incarceration that their SS card had been received and was placed in their master file. Whether they were given that physical card upon release, he doesn't know because he was not there.

Those four facilities are at least going through the motions with the SS card paperwork with inmates. Whether or not they actually follow through and give the card to the inmate upon release is anyone's guess at this point since you were told different in your situation.

So it being the case that your information could be the most current and most correct then everyone's lo's who are getting out soon should ask their counselor about the temp ID card procedure instead of the SS card procedure.

We'll be able to find out from rottie's husband when he's released. If he's going through the paperwork right now, it'll be interesting to see if they hand him his new SS card when he's released.

I'll ask the same question as you because now I'm more curious: "has anyone's LO actually been handed an SS card?" If they have, please share.
 
Besides, I'm not trying to debate whether either answer is right or wrong. All I can go by is what process my husband went through. If he was told wrong, then the facilities he went through aren't following the temp ID procedure or else they are changing it upon actual release like you were told.

In any event, I hope those with lo's going through the process to get their documents are successful with whatever path they take to get to the end result. 

[Dazzler]

My inmate received a note confirming his SS card was received and placed in his file...he was told he couldn't have it at discharge....so better luck to everyone else...

I really wish you'd shorten up your posts....they hurt my head....

[piirate]

Okay now I"m even more confused with everything.

He's not going to be out on parole he's doing his parole inside right now.

But yes that's what I was asking for.

And .. so since I got lost.. they have an id they can use in order to get the stuff so he just waits until he gets out and we figure it out then. right?

[bmonska]

Tell him to ask his counselor about the need for temp ID upon release so he can get those documents himself when he's free and clear of IDOC.

Short enough? 
I give!