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« on: November 23, 2011, 09:26:06 AM »

2 GOP legislators propose separating Cook County from Illinois

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Posted Nov 22, 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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DECATUR — Two Republican Illinois lawmakers say Chicago-style politics are dominating the state and they have a solution. 

State Reps. Bill Mitchell of Forsyth and Adam Brown of Decatur have proposed separating Cook County from Illinois and creating a 51st state. 

WAND-TV in Decatur reports the representatives held a press conference Tuesday in Decatur to talk about their proposal.   

Brown said Chicago is overshadowing the rest of the state. Mitchell says families in other parts of the state believe Chicago is “dictating its views.”

They’ve proposed Cook County, which is the second most populous county in the U.S., to become one state and the other 101 counties in Illinois to become another.

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 09:32:53 AM »

LOL...and they got enough votes to be elected to office....amazing...then maybe NY and LA and other large cities could become states too....might as well be the first to start a trend....LOL...azzclowns...
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 12:11:28 PM »

 wc35  Geez, could they focus on more important issues in this state, like, oh, I don't know, unemployment, taxes??? LOL
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 12:12:55 PM »

Bankruptcy?
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 06:00:27 PM »

I think separating Cook County from the rest of the state is great news.  Cook County provides a lion's share of the tax revenue in this state and then it wouldn't need to give any of it to the downstate communities to improve their schools or roads or infrastructure.  Cook County also wouldn't need to provide funds for the pension plans of the downstate Representatives.  Sounds great to me.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 05:45:20 AM »

This is ridiculous! I live in Central Illinois and have heard this nonsense before. A lot of people in central and southern Illinois like to blame everything on Chicago, due to the politicians. However, a lot of people from Chicago fault the people that live down state for not being that involved in politics. Then two of our representatives go and make a bonehead suggestion like creating a 51st state, I'm sure the people of the United States will be having a good laugh about this one! This is just more proof to the people of Illinois that our politicians DO NOT know what they are doing!
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 11:13:32 PM »

Maybe it will make The David Lettermen Show.........    wc35      wc15 
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 09:36:00 PM »


Goodbye, Cook County? Don't bet on splitting up Illinois
BY D.W. NORRIS, The Southern thesouthern.com | Posted: Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:00 am

A joint resolution to split Cook County from the rest of Illinois is more than a stunt despite its having little chance of passing, said state Rep. Mike Bost, a co-sponsor.

Bost, a Murphysboro Republican, admitted he did not think the resolution will go anywhere, but he wanted to draw attention to funding disparities between Cook County and the rest of the state that he says have grown more unbalanced in the last decade.

Bost said he did not sign on for a similar secessionist resolution 10 years ago because it did not make sense at the time, but things have changed.

Bost said an increase in the cost of Chicago-area social programs, which drain tax money from the rest of the state, and anti-business laws enacted in Illinois' largest city made Bost rethink his previous position.

"When we used to send a tax dollar to Springfield ... we would usually get about $1.25 back, so because of that, separation did not make sense," Bost said. " ... We're no longer getting the return on those tax dollars."

Bost joined state Reps. Bill Mitchell and Adam Brown, both Republicans from Decatur, in co-sponsoring the resolution, which has drawn national attention.

Too many hurdles

Bost said he realizes the resolution probably has too many hurdles to cross for anything to happen. In addition to passing the Illinois legislature, the resolution would have to be approved by Illinois voters, the U.S. Congress, and the President of the United States.

Still, Bost said he was compelled to join the movement, and it's not taking time away from searching for solutions to Illinois' myriad problems.

"Odds are it's not going anywhere, but for years my constituents have been very clear that they believe a lot of the problems we have are because we're so different down here than the Chicago area," he said.

In addition to social differences, there are distinct economic differences between the Chicago area and the state's remaining counties.

At more than $650 million, Illinois has the nation's fifth-highest gross domestic product. The Chicagoland area, which includes Naperville and parts of northwest Indiana and southern Wisconsin, produces about $532 million in GDP, according to statistics reported by The Huffington Post.

Phelps not certain

While state Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, said he agrees in theory with a split, he has not come to a decision on supporting the resolution.

Phelps said he's asked for information on tax revenue produced by Cook County and how much of that money makes it to other parts of the state with one important question in mind.

"If we did break away from Chicago, would that leave us in a financial mess? I'm just being cautious because there's a lot on the table on this," he said.

Forby, Bradley positions

State Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton, said he has no plans to sign on, but he understands why many of his constituents support the idea, especially as it relates to concealed carry and other social issues.

However, Forby said such a move would put the state's remaining 101 counties in a financial lurch.

"We cannot survive without Chicago's tax money," he said. "Fifty percent of our schools would shut down without that money."

State Rep. John Bradley, D-Marion, agreed with Forby and backed Phelps' desire for more information.

"Prior to supporting any legislative effort to divide the state in this way, I would need to be assured that Southern Illinoisans would not see drastic reductions in services or drastic increases in taxes because of the loss of the large tax base in northern Illinois," Bradley wrote in a statement. "Simple questions like, ‘How will we adequately fund our schools?' will need to be asked and answered."

State Sens. Dave Luechtefeld, R-Okawville, and John O. Jones, R-Mount Vernon, did not immediately respond to interview requests.



http://thesouthern.com/news/local/goodbye-cook-county-don-t-bet-on-splitting-up-illinois/article_5743ca44-1d6f-11e1-bb68-001871e3ce6c.html#ixzz1fWsgvRlj
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 11:04:17 PM »

Rediculous! I cant stand Illinois... Land of corrupt govs and the largest debt of any other state...
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 11:09:49 AM »

Associated Press | Posted: Friday, December 9, 2011 4:54 pm


GRAFTON, Ill. (AP) – Whether it's the state's shaky finances, its recent tax hike or strict gun laws, downstate Illinois knows it can always vent its frustration by blaming Chicago.

Lawmakers from central Illinois now are pitching lop Chicago and Cook County off from the rest of Illinois and make it stand alone as the nations 51st state.

The metropolis to the north may be Illinois' cash cow, but it dominates the political scene and has for most of the state's 193 years, producing the current leaders of both legislative houses and the governor, who doesn't venture into the hinterlands much but does so more often than his prison-bound predecessor, Rod Blagojevich— also a Chicago guy.

While most downstaters — here a name bestowed on towns even north of the city — are resigned to shaking a collective fist at the Windy City, two central Illinois lawmakers are pitching a unique, if outlandish, solution to eliminating the state's cultural divide: make the Chicago area the 51st state.

"Downstate families are tired of Chicago dictating its views to the rest of us," said state Rep. Bill Mitchell as he and fellow Republican state Rep. Adam Brown announced their proposal with straight faces at a news conference. "The old adage is true: Just outside Chicago there's a place called Illinois."

Secessionist movements, some more serious than others, have a long history in the U.S. But from the South's attempt to leave the Union to more recent proposals to carve new states out of California and Arizona and make Vermont its own country, these movements involve groups who want to break away.

Not in Illinois. Under the lawmakers' proposal, the state would be telling Chicago and Cook County to get lost. Without the domineering, overly liberal and tax-hungry metropolis, Mitchell and Brown contend, Illinois could be more like GOP-run Indiana.

For some down south in the Land of Lincoln, their resentment toward Chicago is less about politics than values. They are generally more conservative, and more opposed to the state's recent income tax hike, civil unions law and abolishment of the death penalty.

Political pundits pan the proposal as a stunt meant to score political points during challenging economic times, and it has virtually no chance of success, needing the backing of the Democratic governor, Democratic-controlled Legislature and Congress.

Charles Wheeler, a longtime Statehouse reporter who now teaches journalism at the University of Illinois at Springfield, alluded to another north-south Illinois split — the one between Chicago Cubs fans in the north and St. Louis Cardinals down south — when dismissing the idea.

"I think it's goofy. It's more likely I'll be the starting first baseman for the Cardinals next April than for this to pass," Wheeler said.

Even if a split were possible, it could be financially disastrous for downstate Illinois. Cook County — which with 5 million residents is the nation's second most-populous county — is the state's economic engine and key tax generator, providing substantial contributions to the state's other 101 counties for everything from schools to roads, colleges and universities, and prisons.

The Chicago area last year generated 81.6 percent of the $652 billion in gross state product, according to Lawrence Msall, president of the Chicago-based Civic Federation, a nonpartisan think tank specializing in tax policy and government research. In 2009, $3.5 billion — some 40 percent — of the $8.7 billion the state collected in income tax was attributable to Cook County, which also was responsible for roughly 36 percent, or $2.2 billion, of the $6.2 billion the state generated in sales taxes, Msall said.

"There's no getting around that Chicago and Cook County are the goose that lays many golden eggs distributed to downstate counties," said Jim Nowlan, senior fellow of the University of Illinois' Institute of Government and Public Affairs. "Without Chicago and Cook County, the state would be a much poorer entity than it is now."

Nevertheless, the idea is tempting for some folks in southern Illinois, much of which is closer geographically and culturally to St. Louis and Louisville than to Chicago.

Mike Nikonovich, who owns a winery and brewhaus in touristy Grafton, north of St. Louis, said he'd gladly toast a split. He sees the Chicago area as a nexus of wasteful spending and wrong-minded thinking, viewing downstaters as "just all farmers."

"My God, how nice would that (divorce) be? I don't think anybody's taking it seriously, but it'd be nice to dream. Let them sink, and we'll swim," said Nikonovich.

Others, while sympathetic, worry about the possible fallout.

In southwestern Illinois' St. Clair County, Republican-leaning corn and soybean grower Bob Biehl echoed the frustration of the measure's two authors but said he doesn't think excising Chicago and Cook County is the way to address it.

"I tend to agree we don't have a prayer for many good policies in this area. If it's not good for the public in that area (of Cook County), we just lose the vote," said Biehl, 42. "But to say, 'We're not happy with this, so we're just gonna branch off' — I don't agree with that. We all just need to get along."

What the legislators don't mention is that the state has grappled with the idea before — to no avail.

In 1925, Cook County considered dumping Illinois to become its own state named, well, Chicago. While one downstate senator proclaimed the Chicago area "has been a nuisance in the last few years" and should be expelled, the push fizzled.

And there was a bid in 1861 — during the infancy of the nation's own Civil War — by Illinois' southern swath long known as "Little Egypt" to split from Illinois, citing cultural and political differences.

As for the latest effort, Gov. Pat Quinn could only shake his head.

"We're all in this together," said Quinn. "The idea of separating out and dividing us is a bum way to go. It's definitely not the Illinois way to go."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-12-09/chicago-statehood/51773528/1?csp=34news
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