DOC numbers

[lah]

This might sound like a crazy question but how do inmates get their assigned numbers? Do the letters behind the numbers (like B, C, N etc) have any significance?

[JJL]

GOOD QUESTION! I want to know that as well. Also, what does C-grade mean? And what are the other "grades". Since Jo went to seg, he said he'll be moved to C-grade when he goes back into general population which will also decrease phone priviledges or something. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[Forevermah]

Jims posted this:

     Re: Definition?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2006, 02:35:58 PM »    Reply with quote Modify message Remove message Split Topic


Here it is. This was written, however, before 2000, and so some of the numbers assigned in the 1990s continued into the next decade. But here is what IDOC says:

A.D. 01.07.220 Central Numbering System
   
The Alpha portion of the IDOC number relates to the decade and the sentence type.

A =Indeterminate admitted 1970s –opted for determinate
C =Indeterminate admitted in the 1970s
L =Indeterminate admitted in the 1980s
H, T, U =Indeterminate admitted in the 1990s
N=Determinate admitted in the 1980s
P=Periodic Imprisonment
X=Parole Supervision from another state
B, K, R =Determinate admitted in the 1990s


I think the "B" numbers were admitted in the 1970s and 1980s and given determinate numbers from the get-go. And of course, they use the same number on all subsequent incarcerations.


   

[Scout]

Here's the breakdown on the numbering scheme:

A.D. 01.07.220 Central Numbering System
The Alpha portion of the IDOC number relates to the decade and the sentence type.

A =Indeterminate admitted 1970s –opted for determinate
C =Indeterminate admitted in the 1970s
L =Indeterminate admitted in the 1980s
H, T, U =Indeterminate admitted in the 1990s
N=Determinate admitted in the 1980s
P=Periodic Imprisonment
X=Parole Supervision from another state
B, K, R =Determinate admitted in the 1990s
S = Determinate admitted in the 2000s
M = Determine admitted starting 2008

C-grade is the lowest grade an inmate can be in...there's A, B and C.  Typically when an inmate is sent to seg, they'll be reduced to C-grade.  They may get a punishment of "90 days across the board", which means, they'll be in C-grade for 90 days, then B-grade for 90 days, then back to A-grade.  Each grade gives them various privileges, phone, commissary, etc.

[lah]

Thanks!  I've always wanted to know that.  You guys are Sooooooooo smart!

[jewels]

That is ofcourse different to what JJL is asking. She is talking about grading. The grading is done on behaviour levels. The best level is A, but once in seg that drops right down, depending on what the ticket was for. Once out of seg it is upgraded for a while to the next level or 2, but does not return to A or B for a little while, depending on their behaviour once again.
 It can affect different things they are allowed to do, like, I believe they have to be on an A grade for 3 years before they are eligible for marriage, that is if marriage is allowed in the first place.

[dcal5150]

I have a friend that I write to occassionaly and he is a "K".  He's in Menard now just transferred from The ville.  Anyone know what that is?

[Forevermah]

dcal  ...                            B, K, R =Determinate admitted in the 1990s

[jewels]

The K is in his doc # ? If so, they came about in the late 90's I seem to remember.

[dcal5150]

 &*&  Thank you.  I've never seen a K before  ^%$#

[jewels]

Quite a few around!

[Scout]

That is ofcourse different to what JJL is asking. She is talking about grading. The grading is done on behaviour levels. The best level is A, but once in seg that drops right down, depending on what the ticket was for. Once out of seg it is upgraded for a while to the next level or 2, but does not return to A or B for a little while, depending on their behaviour once again.
 It can affect different things they are allowed to do, like, I believe they have to be on an A grade for 3 years before they are eligible for marriage, that is if marriage is allowed in the first place.

Yes, I had mentioned this in my reply.  I want to point out that the return to B and A has nothing to do with behaviour during the time and everything to do with the punishment set by the ARB.

[JJL]

Thank you everyone for your information!

[dancer]

I"ve never seen these before    H, T, U =Indeterminate admitted in the 1990s or P's.  Must be rare. 
I think one of the main things about  C grade is that they are still limited to  $30/month to spend in commissary and just necessities.   

Scout do you mean that the return to higher grades has nothing to do with behavior during seg time and was set by the original punishment? 

[dcal5150]

Is that "for sure" in all of Ill. that "C" #'s can only spend $30 a month???  I know M. has spent more than that and he is a C.  Maybe it is different if you need a big item ticket IE TV, fan etc. ???

[Scout]

When someone goes to seg...they may get 1, 3, 6 months, whatever...that is typically "across the board", meaning if they get 1 month in seg, they get 1 month C grade (while in seg), one month B grade, then A grade...same if the punishment is 3 months or 6 months. 

I had a document with the offenses and punishments...I'll have to see if I can find it.  What I was pointing out was that if a person gets three months in seg, that when they get out of seg, their move up in grade is not dependent on how they behave.

[Scout]

Is that "for sure" in all of Ill. that "C" #'s can only spend $30 a month???  I know M. has spent more than that and he is a C.  Maybe it is different if you need a big item ticket IE TV, fan etc. ???

Sorry, I think we're confusing you because there's two different topics going on.

C# (as in M is a C#) is the letter before their inmate number (as indicated above).

The other part of the conversation is grade.  Inmates, based on behavior, can be in one of three Grades, A, B or C...with A being the better grade (more privileges) and C being the worst.

[Scout]

Here's a link to the portion of the administrative code that defines offenses and punishments. 

http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/02000504ZZ9998aR.html

[dcal5150]

 ^%$#  Ok, I get it now.  Boy! I'm getting slow in my old age!!!

[Scout]

This explains how they work their way out of each grade:

Section 504.130  Demotion and Restoration in Grade

 

a)         Privileges shall be afforded to adult offenders assigned to correctional centers based upon their current grade, in the following manner:

 

1)         Offenders in "A" grade shall be eligible to receive all institutional privileges.  Newly admitted offenders shall be placed in "A" grade.

 

2)         Offenders in "B" grade shall be eligible to receive all institutional privileges except for a day release program or a furlough other than a medical or funeral furlough.

 

3)         Offenders in "C" grade shall be eligible to receive no privileges except yard, commissary, and visits.  An offender may purchase personal hygiene items and other items approved by the Chief Administrative Officer based on the committed person's institutional status from the commissary once each 30 day period while in "C" grade.  The 30 day period shall commence on the date of placement into "C" grade.

 

b)         An offender who has been demoted to "B" or "C" grade as a result of a disciplinary infraction shall be automatically promoted to the next highest grade at the expiration of the time period specified by the Adjustment Committee.

 

c)         An offender who has been demoted to "C" grade and automatically placed in "B" grade after expiration of the time period specified by the Adjustment Committee shall be required to spend the same time period in "B" grade as in "C" grade.  Upon expiration of this time period, the offender shall be restored to "A" grade.

 

d)         An offender may petition the Adjustment Committee for restoration in grade based upon the individual's good conduct and institutional record no more often than every 90 days.  A copy of the Committee's decision shall be provided to the offender.

 

(Source:  Amended at 27 Ill. Reg. 6214, effective May 01, 2003)

[jewels]

What I meant, but did not explain very clearly was, by depending on behaviour, providing the inmate behaved and did not get himself into another ticket situation when it was time for his grading to go back up.

I knew what I meant too dcal!just did not explain it properly. ^%$# Oh well.

[Surfborg]

I knew what I meant too dcal!just did not explain it properly. ^%$# Oh well.

It's those British genes messing with you again.   :) 

Surfy

PS if Jewels ever meets me in person she is gonna kick my butt all the way across the USA. *(%$#

[sueh60]

&*&  Thank you.  I've never seen a K before  ^%$#

My son is in jacksonville & he has a K no.

[jewels]

Looking forward to it Surfy! stp1

[rhondarenee]

Here's the breakdown on the numbering scheme:

A.D. 01.07.220 Central Numbering System
The Alpha portion of the IDOC number relates to the decade and the sentence type.

A =Indeterminate admitted 1970s –opted for determinate
C =Indeterminate admitted in the 1970s
L =Indeterminate admitted in the 1980s
H, T, U =Indeterminate admitted in the 1990s
N=Determinate admitted in the 1980s
P=Periodic Imprisonment
X=Parole Supervision from another state
B, K, R =Determinate admitted in the 1990s
S = Determinate admitted in the 2000s

C-grade is the lowest grade an inmate can be in...there's A, B and C.  Typically when an inmate is sent to seg, they'll be reduced to C-grade.  They may get a punishment of "90 days across the board", which means, they'll be in C-grade for 90 days, then B-grade for 90 days, then back to A-grade.  Each grade gives them various privileges, phone, commissary, etc.

I was incarcerated at Dwight and Lincoln in 2004 and had an R number.

[Surfborg]

Thats strange.  My dad has an R number also and he was 2005.

Surfy

[shawnssweetcheeks]

thats interesting to know.

[RT]

The numbers are "identifiers" as to when the inmate was received by IDOC. This is what I know:
C,L:Numbers issued to inmates pre 1978 with indeterminate sentences. These inmates see the PRB when eligible for release
A:post 1978 with determinate sentences
N:1980's
B:1990's (with truth in sentencing laws B numbers ran out quickly)
K:1990's (used in place of B numbers)
R,S:2000's (S numbers were supposed to be for females but Graham and Menard R & C are issuing S numbers)
T, X:Inmates in Illinois under Interstate Compact

I hope this helps.
It was designed to let front line employees distinguish between someone that has been incarcerated for a while and "fish".

[Clancy89]

okay quick question...my boyfriend is 3 days away from getting out of seg and getting put onto C-grade...he will then be off c-grade on either the 27th or the 28th of may...I want to go see him after he gets out of seg...he is at shawnee....does anyone know the visitation rules for inmates on C-grade?  Please help! ...

[RT]

That was a good question and according to the folks at Shawnee, it will be a normal visit as long as he is out of Seg.

Rick

[Clancy89]

did you talk to the people at shawnee because when I called down there they didn't really tell me anything.  They just said that they weren't sure.  I need to know for sure before I drive down there because it is three hours away and with gas prices it would be bad if I didn't get to see him...thank you!

 

[RT]

I called Shawnee and spoke with the warden's office.They said that c grade non-seg gets normal visits. You may want to verify that because to be honest she sounded a bit flighty.

Rick

[Scout]

C grade should be normal visits, it's only seg status that makes them more limited.

[Lilbilla]

Menard R&C gives out B numbers I was just addmitted in 2007 and I have a B# , Stateville gives out R#s and Graham gives out S#s

[RT]

Menard R&C gives out B numbers I was just addmitted in 2007 and I have a B# , Stateville gives out R#s and Graham gives out S#s

Strange, I thought all B numbers were exhausted. But it is another classic example of IDOC not knowing what they are doing. I think this has been going on since Joliet was built....

Rick

[Scout]

While researching the IDOC database, I found that they are now using an "M" prefix on inmates coming into the system.  The first M number was admitted two days ago.  Now they're in the 100 range already.

[RT]

I have seen one T and one U number as well.

Rick

[Scout]

I've never seen a U, T is for inmates from other states here on Interstate Compact, I think.

[sosad00]

Does anyone know what the letter "M" means?  Just wondering.  My LO has an "M"

[Dazzler]

A couple posts previous to yours is Scout's explanation that "M" is a new letter being used for general purposes.

[Miss_Marie2001]

Very Good Info...Nice to know

[ChadsWifey]

my husband is in shawnee now and he has a B#, he just went back this year but he first entered IDOC in 91 but to my knowledge his number has never changed, its always been B. Whats that mean then?

[mamacita1]

Illinois inmates who return to the system, also return to their old numbers.

[kemos girl]

Yes they do keep there numbers when ever or if they return back to IDOC.

My fiance first went in the early 90's and he's a B also

[Crowe29]

So here's a question...does it matter WHERE they went in first??? Like what state??? My fiancee went in for the first time in GA...and that was 12 years ago...which would make it the '90s and he is an R...so everything makes sense.  It's just interesting to know if all states have this system going, or if IL just determines your letter based on your first incarceration.

P.S. I LOVE reading through this site sometimes just for info and to educate myself...thank you to all who answer questions so knowledgeably and in depth! 

[RT]

His Georgia number will not follow him to Illinois and vice versa.

Rick

[Crowe29]

Interesting...wonder why he's an R then??? The first time he came to IL was with me in '05, otherwise he's been in GA all his life.

[RT]

IDOC issued R numbers through 2009. M Numbers came Jan. 1, 2010.

Rick

Jan. 1, 2000 thru Dec. 31, 2009 were given R numbers.

[Crowe29]

Oh, I see now. Thanks for the clarification RT :)

[chadsangel4]

How do you know what grade they are?  Is it posted on the IDOC website anywhere or do I have to ask my lo?

[Marks_guy]

That's something you have to ask your lo.

[chadsangel4]

Thats what I figured.  Thanks.  I am still new to all this.

[sammyson]

Ok Ev1 I have a veeerrryy Important question....  Of course you all know that my Honey is in Vandalia.  Well his brother just got sent to prison in Sept of this year.  Hes been in Statesville since Sept. 8 2011.  Well his mother called the prison to make sure that they are giving him his medication which is for his bipolar disorder.  They said ya ya we are.  Well she visited for the first time today and he said he hasnt gotten his medicaiton once yet sinces hes been there so its been a little over two months now.  I was wondering who to contact to get this corrected or what legal procedures should we take about this situation???  Im up for any ideas or suggestions to help my mother in law out thanks ev1

[lvanrs2]

Ok, something I found out today has me stumped.  Hopefully someone can answer the question.  B numbers were issued in the early 90's.  I have a friend whose son is only 22 and has never been incarcerated until now.  He was issued a B number when he was sent to Menard R&C last week.  I am curious to know if anyone knows why IDOC went back to using B numbers when they were in the R's and S's

[Forevermah]

R's were issued at Stateville R&C, they are now using M's  .. S's are issued at Graham R&Cand B's have been issued at Menard R&C, for as far as I have been checking.

 

[Dazzler]

My inmate has a B number from the early 90's and I've seen newly issued B numbers...and A numbers, I think they just start over periodically.

Sammyson, have your MIL call the medical staff at the prison he's in ....ask to speak to the doctor in charge and ask why he hasn't been put back on his meds....if that doesn't get any results call the Springfield office and complain to the Medical Director.

And to whoever it was that asked how to find out what her newly incarcerated inmate's Grade was....more than likely it's A grade.  That what they go into IDOC with....and when they screw up it's reduced to B or C.

[sammyson]

thanks Dazzler I will tell her that